QWhy do Christians always claim Jesus fulfilled the prophecies?
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He did no such thing ! It was a great warrior . He took no army . Not reconcile all nations , and unite all nations under God . The prophecies never said anything about him having a second coming to do all those things . They were supposed to happen during the life of the Messiah .
Why are you so sure? How can you trust your instincts about the Word of God in the Old Testament ? How can you be so sure that Matthew , Luke, John and Paul were those who said they were , and saw what they say they saw?
These are just some of the prophecies that he did not comply . I realize there are some who did comply , but since when is
Probably because most of them have no idea what the prophecies are . They cooked their own set of prophecies that had nothing to do with the Jewish Messiah, and then decided that Jesus fulfilled them .
If I do that, do * I * get to be the Messiah ? ? ?
I can understand that you're Jewish ? Well , you have your beliefs and I have mine . Now , could you write the exact verses instead of their own words , so I can see for myself that they are true verses , and not something that is twisted to suit their own beliefs ? And please do not tell me to look for myself. Is your point to prove, so it is your responsibility to provide the exact words of each verse .
Like most everything else in Christianity , they stole it from another religion and then twisted the original meaning ( the Messiah ) , and / or tried to cover up the original source ( paganism ) to support their own religion . This is not rocket science , it just takes a logical mind open and the desire to study ALL ( and I mean everyone, not just what is learned in the study of the Bible ) of information available out there . Most do not because they prefer to live in ignorance . That's what bothers me - if you would believe after studying all the information out there about the origins of Christianity , which earlier religions influenced him and his story, which is fine , I can have a little respect for you . But if you want to spout off on how to have the only true religion and you know basically squat then label him ignorant , no offense .
I have no idea what they are reading the Bible, but must be returned to the supplier immediately.
Ezekiel 37: 26-28 refers to God dwelling in the mist of the Jew to be his sanctuary.
Isaiah 43:5-6 refers to Jesus gathering his people to him.
Zecharia 14:09 is God claims to be the only true God
As for the lineage of Jesus: Text: Hebrews 7:1-17
I. Those who refuse to believe in the truth of the Bible often seek ways to discredit his statements.
A. One objection is the claim that Jesus was of the tribe of Judah - Hebrews 7:13-14
B. The argument is that since Jesus had no earthly father, then he had no tribal identity was calculated normally through the male line.
C. It is true that Jesus was not literally from the body of Joseph, though:
1. There was the carpenter's son - Matthew 13:55
2. It is the parent's right to name his son (Luke 1:62-63), which made Jose de Jesus - Matthew 1:24-25
3. Mary refers to Joseph as Jesus' father - Luke 2:48
D. How can this be? Because Jesus was the adopted son of Joseph.
1. Look closely at the text of Matthew 1:16
2. It does not say that Joseph begat Jesus
3. Joseph married Mary Jesus was born.
II. Those wishing to question the veracity of the Bible sometimes will appeal to the differences between the lineages recorded in Matthew and Luke is written on.
A. The two lines are different, but that's because they serve different purposes.
B. They are intended to try different things.
1. Matthew lineage passes through Joseph. Its purpose is to establish a legal right to the throne of David Jesus. An adopted child still has legal rights.
2. Lucas lineage passes through Mary. Its aim is to show the humanity of Jesus, showing that it is a descendant of Adam.
C. Account Matthew highlights two important figures in the history of Israel
1. Jesus was a son of Abraham.
one. He was a Jew and a part of the covenant made with Abraham and his descendants.
b. Seed of Abraham would both possess the gate of his enemies and be a blessing to all the nations of the earth - Genesis 22:15-18, Galatians 3:16
2. Jesus was a son of David
one. He was in the line of succession to the throne of David.
b. For David was the promise that his lineage would remain on the throne - II Samuel 7:12, Psalm 89:3-4, Jeremiah 23:5
3. It is important to note that Jesus was in the position to fulfill these promises.
D. In tracing the lineage, Matthew follows the line of the blessing - the right to the head of the family. There's always going from father to eldest son, and Jacob to Judah.
1. Judah is the fourth son of Jacob, but was given the blessing - Genesis 49:10
one. Reuben was omitted because he laid with his father's concubine - Genesis 49:4
b. Simeon and Levi were omitted because of their violence and uncontrolled anger - Genesis 49:5-7
2. This also explains two missing persons
(1) Matthew 1:5 - Ram - Amminadab (Note Ruth 4:19-20 and I Chronicles 2:10 is the same.)
(2) Luke 3:33 - Ram - Admin - Amminadab
(1) Matthew 1:12 - Shealtiel - Zerubbabel
(2) Chronicles 3:17-19 - Shealtiel - Pedaiah - Zerubbabel
c. The simplest explanation is that these two men died before his father, so that the blessing went straight to grandson.
3. Another difference is found in Matthew 1:08 between Joram and Uzziah
one. I Chronicles 3:11-12 lists three additional names: Ahaziah, Joash, and Amaziah
b. Some think that Matthew was trying to keep his memory helps fourteen in each period.
c. But keep in mind that most of Joram married Athaliah, the daughter of the evil evil King Ahab - II Kings 8:16-18, 26-27
(1) Note that Ahaziah was as bad as Ahab due to the influence of his mother. He died in the purge of the house of Ahab by Jehu.
(2) His mother then forced the queen, destroying almost a child - II Kings 11:1-3
(3) Jehoash (or Joash) became king at the age of seven years and did well as his regent, Jehoiada the priest lived, but he turned the wrong time of his death. He was murdered.
(4) His son Amaziah reigned for 29 years in 25. He was basically good, but had many flaws, one of which led to his murder. - II Kings 14:19-21
d. Some suppose that the blessing jumped three generations - Exodus 20:4-5
4. It should be noted that people have not omitted Matthew's genealogy wrong.
one. The terms used allow a descendant.
b. Moreover, since Matthew emphasized three sets of fourteen, he could have kept the best times to make it easier to memorize.
E. Luke's genealogy follows Jesus lineage carnal
1. Despite starting with Joseph, Joseph here acts as Mary, his wife.
one. Luke uses the old style of just naming the men
b. We know it is the lineage of Joseph, because there is the succession of kings.
c. A son-in-law may be referred to as a child - I Samuel 24:16
2. additional evidence
one. Accompanying birth narrative of Matthew is told from the point of view of Joseph - Matthew 1:18-25
b. Luke's birth is told from the point of view of Mary - Luke 1:26-56
c. Each name in the genealogy of Luke is preceded by the article "the" in Greek, with the exception of Joseph, indicating that Joseph was not fully in this genealogy.
d. The "it was believed" could include Joseph in the parenthetical phrase, so that the genealogy begins with his grandfather as the first man in his lineage.
3. The lineage goes all the way back to Adam.
4. This is in finer detail than Matthew shows that the exact lineage was important.
5. Luke's genealogy is important because the Messiah promised to Abraham literally descend - Genesis 22:18
6. The Messiah physically descend from David - Psalm 132:10-11
III. Both lineages also show the solution to another problem
A. The Last King of Israel to sit on the throne of David, Jeconiah, was so bad that God promised none of his descendants would sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem - Jeremiah 22:24-30
B. Jesus' legal lineage comes through Jeconiah, but his physical lineage through David comes through a different son. - Luke 1:32-33
C. Only by adopting both prophecies could come true.
IV. What can we learn from "boring" genealogies?
A. God always keeps his word
1. The promises made to Abraham and David were met
2. The Curse of Jeconiah were fulfilled given
3. Therefore, God's promise to us is as safe - Hebrews 6:17-20
B. Our ancestors did not affect what we
1. Wicked righteous men had children. Evil men have children just.
2. Matthew's account specifically mentions four women. At least three are gentiles. One was a prostitute, a harlot, and one was an adulteress.
3. But the Savior came to these evil men and women - Ezekiel 18:20
4. You were not born to sin
V. Jesus left his throne of glory to humbly submit to the will of God - Philippians 2:5-8
A. He shared our experiences to rescue you and me - Hebrews 2:9-15
B. Jesus is Emmanuel, "God with us" - Matthew 1:23
And finally Deut 13 says nothing about the Torah. There is talk of shedding the false prophets who try to convince people to follow other gods.
READING THE BIBLE R U?
Note that there are two types of prophecies about the coming Messiah . A game for his first coming . The second set of his second coming .
When the Messiah comes the first time ( he already did, as Jesus ) come in peace to die and reconcile a sinful world to God .
When the Messiah comes the second time will come as a conqueror .
So every prophecy about the Messiah must be taken in each of these contexts . Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies of His first coming , including :
1. being born in Bethlehem
2. being born of a virgin
3. being of the tribe of Judah
4. be a descendant of David
5. spend time in his youth in Eqypt
7. enter Jerusalem on a donkey
8. being crucified
9. not have broken legs during his crucifixion ( as was common to accelerate the death of the crucified person )
10. having cost piereced with a sword , while in the cross
11. people having gambled for his clothes after being removed before his crucifixion
12. was buried in the tomb of a rich man
13. resurrection from the dead three days after he was buried .
those are the big thing I can think right now. but in fact there are over 100 prophecies ( some duplicates ) on the appearance of Christ for the first time on earth . I think there are more than 200 in his second appearance , but not sure of the exact figure .
Obviously , as a Christian , I believe that all prophecy was fulfilled . I'm not always sure how to interpret God correctly . Maybe some of these prophecies were fulfilled in ways you never realized.
For example , I believe that Jesus was the third temple . Clearly stated that if the temple was destroyed, rebuild it in three days. That would result in the crucifixion and resurrection .
Again , I feel that I am right about that , but I respect their right to disagree . I can not refute all the arguments that I am not as familiar with the Bible as I would like .
I hope that whatever conclusions you reach , you are at peace with them . Eternity is a long time .
a fool . If you do not, will think himself wise.
PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true.
JE 8:08 The scribes falsify the word of God .
JE 20:7 , EZ 14:9 , 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 God himself deceives people .
( Note : Some versions translate deceive as
The short answer is that all too many do not read the alleged fulfilled prophesies in their proper context. Because the NT uses the OT verses as prophesies, it becomes a Christian given that these verses mean what the NT says. But in their proper context they mean something demonstrably different.
There are good biblecist reasons for NOT considering Jesus of the NT as the Jewish messiah. Therefore, the whole John 3:16ff thing about unbelievers are condemned already is quite chilling.
While most of the prophecies you have there I really don't know anything about, you fumbled big time on two of them: "Genesis 49:10/Isaiah 11:1 = The Messiah was to be descended from the line of David by the father. Jesus had no father." This is talking about his EARTHLY father. "The Messiah was supposed to be a man. If Jesus is truly God, then he is not the Messiah." Jesus was/is both God and man.
You obviously need to rightly divide the word of God. You have no idea what you are quoting. Do you know how to read a book? Do you jump around and try to make the story fit your needs?
Rightly divide the word of God than come back and ask questions.
i think some people spend way too much time thinking, fighting, arguing, debating and doing their best to hurt one another about 'Jesus' and not enough time working on themselves and this world. A great time waster, tho, while your soul rots and this world goes to hell. Can i interest you in a fiddle? It was only played once, by Nero, while Rome burned. Enjoy!