Can you show me some cross-references to prove our belief ?
Here is some of what I have:
And he that sat upon the throne said , Behold , I make all things new . And I said, 'Write , for these words are trustworthy and true .
And he said unto me , It is done . I am the Alpha and the Omega , the beginning and the end. I'll give him that thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely .
Crusade : Heb 1:8,10-12 , Revelation 3:14, 22:13 , Ezekiel 39:7-8 , John 4:14 , 7:37-39 , Revelation 22:1 , Isaiah 12:2-3
And behold , I come quickly , and my reward is with me , to give every man according as his work .
Crossed with Isaiah 62:11 , Isaiah 12:2-3 , ever mentioned salvation is YESHUAH .
I know there are a lot more ... I just do not have time to watch them all ...
Thanks in advance !
#2WithheldAnswered at 2013-03-17 13:37:24
Jesus comes. (Mat 24:30, Mat 26:64, 13:2 sea, Luk 21:2, Rev. 1:7, Rev. 22:20)
He has his reward. (Isaiah 62:11)
*** See explanation below
He is the First and the Last. (Rev. 1:17,18)
There can only be a first and last, and Isaiah, it is clear that the "first and last" is God Almighty!
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last, and beside me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6 KJV)
Now let's look at Revelation 22:13, 14:
And behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and last .
That says it all. Of course, this issue (the deity of Christ) is repeated throughout the Bible, but if someone can not see in Scripture, then you will not see anything! At least, not until you surrender to the Holy Spirit and the scales fall from their eyes.
Detailed explanation *** Isaiah 62:11
There is a difference between the letter Hebrew name of Jesus and the Hebrew word for salvation. And this letter (hay) is a special letter, representing the Holy Spirit. It is the same card that was inserted into the names of Abram and Sarai, who became Abraham and Sarah. So Yeshua (Jesus) Holy Spirit (hay) = Yeshuah (Salvation)
Now, when you look at the verses that use Yeshuah personified, it is clear that the person is Jesus / the Son. So let's plug in where Hebrew JESUS says "YESHUAH" in the following verse:
Behold, your Yeshuah / Jesus comes, behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. (Isaiah 62:11)
#4keyonaAnswered at 2013-07-26 06:49:06
Rev 22:12 that you mentioned also crosses with:
Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Rev 21:6 that you mentioned also crosses with:
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
One more quick example:
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
... for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last...
Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.
And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground. And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
And by the way... to Papa and JWs... the one on the throne in Rev 19:6 that is reigning, is according to YOUR theology, Jesus. According to you, He is reigning NOW and will not give up the throne until after a 1000 year rule.
psssst - Hey Linedancer, regarding Jesus being a Father to us, allow me to quote a recent answer of yours:
"Do you remember John 5:26, where Jesus said: "The Father has life in himself, and he has granted that same life-giving power to his Son"? Since Jesus gained immortality after his resurrection, all those whom he resurrects will be offspring of Jesus, the eternal Father."
The Hebrew word Shad·dai′ and the Greek word Pan·to·kra′tor are both translated “Almighty.” Both original-language words are repeatedly applied to Jehovah, the Father. (Ex. 6:3; Rev. 19:6) Neither expression is ever applied to either the Son or the holy spirit.
Back in Eden, Jehovah made clear his purpose for the earth: It was to be inhabited by a happy, healthy, united family of mankind. Man and woman were to care for the earth and all of its creatures, to turn the entire planet into a paradise. (Genesis 1:28) That is a far cry from the present state of affairs. Rest assured, though, that Jehovah’s purposes are never thwarted. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) Jesus, as the Messianic King appointed by Jehovah, will bring about this global Paradise.—Luke 23:43.
Imagine seeing the whole earth turned into Paradise! Jehovah says of that time: “Look! I am making all things new.” (Revelation 21:5) Consider what that will mean. When Jehovah has finished wielding his destructive power against this wicked old system, there will remain “new heavens and a new earth.” This means that a new government will reign from heaven over a new earthly society composed of those who love Jehovah and who do his will. (2 Peter 3:13) Satan, along with his demons, will be put out of commission. (Revelation 20:3) For the first time in thousands of years, mankind will be free of that corrupt, hateful, negative influence. The sense of relief will no doubt be overwhelming.
At last, we will be able to take care of this beautiful planet as we were originally meant to do. The earth has natural restorative powers.
Jehovah used the title “God Almighty” (’El Shad·dai′) when making his promise to Abraham concerning the birth of Isaac, a promise requiring that Abraham have great faith in God’s power to carry out that promise. It was thereafter used when God was spoken of as the one who would bless Isaac and Jacob as heirs of the Abrahamic covenant.—Ge 17:1; 28:3; 35:11; 48:3.
In harmony with this, Jehovah could later say to Moses: “I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty [be’El′ Shad·dai′], but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.” (Ex 6:3) This could not mean that the name Jehovah was unknown to these patriarchs, since it was frequently used by them as well as by others before them. (Ge 4:1, 26; 14:22; 27:27; 28:16) In fact, in the book of Genesis, which relates the lives of the patriarchs, the word “Almighty” occurs only 6 times, whereas the personal name Jehovah was written 172 times in the original Hebrew text. Yet, while these patriarchs had come to appreciate by personal experience God’s right to and qualifications for the title of “the Almighty One,” they had not had opportunity to appreciate the full meaning and implications of his personal name, Jehovah.